Season 2, Episode 1
Walking in the Way of Wisdom

July 7, 2025

The Hidden Work of Leadership

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Episode Description

If the old adage is true that wisdom is “caught, not taught,” how do we live and lead wisely amid deepening social fractures and growing isolation?

In this conversation, Uli Chi, author of The Wise Leader, joins Michaela O’Donnell to help us understand what it means to lead wisely in a complex world—and the importance of not doing it alone.

In this episode, they discuss

  • the mysterious nature of wisdom
  • why more knowledge doesn’t necessarily mean more wisdom
  • the unique relationship between humility and power in leadership

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