Season 2, Episode 8
Why Listening Makes You a Better, Wiser Leader with Rhonda Butler

November 11, 2025

The Hidden Work of Leadership

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Episode Description

Are you listening? If not, there may be more at stake than you realize. For Rhonda Butler—professor, executive leadership coach, and director of Women’s L.I.F.T. Fellowship—failing to listen can do real harm, leading to an erosion of trust, silencing other voices, and tarnishing reputations. However, when leaders do listen (and apologize when they fall short), trust is strengthened and wisdom flourishes—for both the leader and those they lead.

In this final episode of season 2 of The Hidden Work of Leadership, Michaela and Rhonda explore

  • the intimate relationship between wisdom and listening
  • the benefits of listening—and the costs when we don’t
  • why good leaders are good learners
  • the importance of doing what’s right over trying to be right

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Learn more about our guest, Rhonda Butler
Check out more from the Max De Pree Center for Leadership at  depree.org